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December 7, 2009 (Work Session) Page 1711 <br />will not be for several years to come until a majority of the existing lots <br />are used up. He commented on the lack of available financing for developers. <br />He noted only small projects, infill projects and continuance of phases of <br />existing projects that have already signed Consent Agreements will be built, <br />which is the condition of his current project. He advised builders need help <br />now and that the APFO has been a contentious matter. In regards to the <br />pending lawsuit, he said, hypothetically, if the County wins the lawsuit, it <br />would still be beneficial to the building community if the timing of the fee <br />could be paid closer to the time of building a house. He further advised <br />builders put in more lots than building houses in a given period of time. <br />Chairman White advised another aspect to consider for the APFO is <br />whether the County, developer and builder are all on the same page from the <br />very beginning. He advised the process needs to be more streamlined and <br />there needs to be a better understanding from both the County's and the <br />developers' perspectives in regards to the process. <br />Mr. Niblock stressed the issues are: the legality of the fee, the <br />amount of the fee and when the fee is paid. He noted, from any developer's <br />perspective, it would be fair to pay at building permitting. <br />Chairman White advised a process needs to be put in place whereas all <br />of the issues (i.e., planning, permitting, platting, etc.) can be dealt with <br />all at once. <br />Mr. Niblock stated the issues that Chairman White mentioned are all <br />good issues; however, he noted what he is requesting is the big issue which <br />is when the fee has to be paid. He said when the fee has to be paid is 100 <br />percent of the difficulty that people are currently experiencing in the <br />building industry. He spoke about the good job that County staff does and <br />that the process is not too onerous; however, he reiterated that the <br />difficulty is financing the fees. He stated the only homes selling in the <br />market are first-time starter homes where people are using the government tax <br />credits; most of the homes are built on 50- to 55-feet wide lots which <br />equates to about 3 lots an acre; the fee is worth more than the property that <br />is being developed; and the reason for this situation is because of the <br />economy. <br />Vice Chairman Mynatt stated the comments that Chairman White made <br />indicated that the Board may need to either discuss the situation at the <br />retreat or perhaps have a committee to discuss the issue; the committee could <br />consist of two Board members, two representatives from the Board of <br />Education, two representatives from the building community and appropriate <br />staff to look at all of the issues. She also stated redistricting in the <br />county is another issue. <br />Chairman White stated a committee is needed where the matter can be <br />thoroughly discussed; the committee should consist of at least one <br />Commissioner, two building industry representatives, County staff, Cabarrus <br />County Schools and Kannapolis City Schools needs to be invited to help <br />clarify the situation. <br />Mr. Niblock interjected that he has paid a fee for 51 lots and only <br />used 15 lots. He pointed out that he has many lots tied up where he is <br />building more expensive homes that he has already paid the fee on; now he has <br />to pay the fee on other lots; and he knows that it is going to be about three <br />years before he uses up all of the other fees. He stated it would be <br />helpful to him and probably a simpler process if it was a rule that you <br />cannot build more than the lots that fees have already been paid for; all of <br />the aforementioned lots are in the same neighborhood; and if he would be <br />allowed to do this, it would help him resolve his immediate problem. He <br />reiterated he paid for 51 APFO (Adequate Public Facilities Ordinance) fees <br />for the one phase and only used 15; and he questioned whether he could just <br />transfer the lots within the same neighborhood. <br />Commissioner Carruth recollected a precedence that was done for another <br />project (Pine Creek) regarding transferring lots in the same development. <br />Chairman White requested the County Attorney investigate the precedence <br />for transferring lots and whether the precedence would apply to the Waterford <br />on the Rocky River Subdivision. He asked that the information be provided so <br />it can be discussed at the December 21, 2009 meeting. He noted a group needs <br />to convene to address the issues; and that he would like input from Mr. <br />Niblock and other building industry representatives to get ideas on how to <br />address the issues as a whole. <br />
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