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December 19, 2012 (Recessed Meeting) Page 1366 Koch: Madam Chair, may I comment about the - this is actually the same conversation that I spoke about earlier, that I had with Mr. Lewis. I expressed in my opinion when I heard what the content was of the original application. I expressed my opinion, I certainly didn't make any representations of what the board wanted, because the board hadn't directed me to do anything and I couldn't speak for the board, and I think that was quite clear. I was giving my own opinion that I thought that was too vague and that it needed to be more specific. But I certainly didn't direct Mr. Lewis in any specific way as to what - what was required to be in it that was certainly up to - to ultimately, Mr. Small, to decide that. I just expressed an opinion, but I didn't make any representation on behalf of the board, I had no authority to do so and I don't think there was any misunderstanding about that. I think Mr. Downs was present. That was that meeting that occurred here - over in the courthouse. Burrage: We keep wanting to know why - what was it - Penn National turned down the application and that's the county's bonding company? Is that Penn National? Koch: Yes, sir. That's who we've been using. Burrage: They've already said they won't give out that information, directly. They won't give out the information of why they turned the bond down. White: That's not what we were told, that they would not give out the information to us - they would give it out to the applicant. Burrage: I thought that they wouldn't send it to him. (Multiple people speaking.) Small: Then why, Mr. White, did Mr. Harris send me an e -mail specifically saying that they wouldn't give it out to anyone, especially including the applicant. White: Mr. Harris would you clear this up, please? Harris: Yes. Mr. White, on November the 30 I sent Mr. Small an e -mail. I informed him that the insurance agent informed me that Penn's underwriter couldn't speak directly with the individual applicants. Further correspondence with Penn National should be directed to Penn National and I provided the address as well as a phone number. White: (Inaudible) you gave an address to send out a letter or mail. Harris: Yes. Small: After he stated that the insurance company wouldn't speak to the applicant. I don't know how that could be any more clear, Mr. White. Harris: I said, Penn's underwriter. White: Penn's underwriter, Mr. Small. You can't parse out what you want to hear and what you don't want to hear - Small: That goes both ways, Mr. White. White: Okay. Small: He didn't communicate that information to you, he communicated it to me. White: Okay. Poole: One thing that I would say on that was that I think it was very clear that we have no idea on the first one why it was denied and we requested that you make the effort to find out why. And when you came you said that you made a phone call that day. If it were me, I would want to know why. Cause it might be something very simple - that is very easily taken care of. So, I'm just saying on a personal - I'm not speaking for you - I'm just saying on a personal nature I would like to know why, because that could have been cleared up. I would think that if it was something minor it could have easily been cleared up and taken care of. That was why we would request it and we did request that you get that information. Small: Well, Madam Chairman, that information would not have been able to have been gathered between 5:00 p.m. Friday, November 30 and what time did we reconvene on Monday, December the 3r - 3:00 p.m.? A telephone attempt was all that was available. I don't- Poole: I just pointed out that we did - I just want to make it clear that, that - that there was no vagueness in that request. Small: And, and your request was honored Madam Chairman. Poole: Any other comments, questions from the commissioners? Measmer: There is, there is two components of you holding office of register of deeds. And of course the first was accomplished of being elected and I certainly understand that and I - I can't dispute that. The second component is securing adequate bonding and in my opinion, I do not feel like that has been accomplished. And you know, what really concerns me is each and every one of us here are personally liable. And that - that takes it to a whole different ball game. Small: Mr. Measmer, you're also liable if you act in bad faith. You're liable both ways. Measmer: Well, the problem is, is us being personally liable - that takes it to a whole different ball game. Small: Well, again, you're personally liable if you act in bad faith, also. Measmer: All right, it's very concerning, okay? Small: Well you should be concerned.